{"id":3190,"date":"2009-09-30T05:08:00","date_gmt":"2009-09-30T05:08:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lbpost.com\/articles\/sports\/couch-commentary-with-la-stadium-build-the-middle-first\/"},"modified":"2009-09-30T05:08:00","modified_gmt":"2009-09-30T05:08:00","slug":"couch-commentary-with-la-stadium-build-the-middle-first","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lbpost.com\/sports\/couch-commentary-with-la-stadium-build-the-middle-first","title":{"rendered":"Couch Commentary: With LA Stadium, Build The Middle First"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!--StartFragment-->  <\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal\"><span style=\"font-size:10pt; \">Just last week the lawsuit that was holding up the plans for stadium in the City of Industry was settled, and the stadium is now looking like more of a reality (the real question now is: do they keep the name \u201cJaguars\u201d or do they change it when they move to LA?).<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>But as an LA-area football fan and therefore their target audience for this new stadium, I humbly have a suggestion:<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>keep it simple.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>I don\u2019t want an International Airport of a stadium, I don\u2019t want another Wonder-of-the-World, I just want a place with some subtle style, where comfort meets class, and (brace yourself) where I can enjoy a game.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>I feel like a nerd for preaching moderation, but we\u2019ve tried everything else so why not give it a chance?<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal\"><span style=\"font-size:10pt;font-family:\" times=\"\" new=\"\" roman\"\"=\"\">Recently an ESPN.com poll asked: Would you rather see a game at an old stadium (Fenway, Wrigley, Lambeau) or a new complex (Cowboys Stadium, Yankees Stadium)?<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>Two-thirds of the country said Old.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span><o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal\"><span style=\"font-size:10pt;font-family:\" times=\"\" new=\"\" roman\"\"=\"\">Try to ignore the inherent bias in the question- calling one a \u201cstadium\u201d and the other a \u201ccomplex\u201d already implies which one sports fans <em>should<\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-size:10pt;font-family:\" times=\"\" new=\"\" roman\"\"=\"\"> want to go to- although it is probably off-set by Jerry Jones voting a thousand times for \u201cnew.\u201d<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>Also keep in mind the underlying misconception that <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0<\/span>\u201cnew\u201d is more expensive despite the fact that Fenway and Wrigley are 1 and 2 respectively in terms of highest MLB ticket prices (yes, the Yankees are 3<sup>rd<\/sup> on that list but they are perceived to be higher than that.)<span style=\"mso-spacerun:yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>But despite all that, the real reason sports fans voted overwhelmingly for the \u201cold\u201d is because we inherently need the past.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>Adrian Peterson is special because of LaDainian Tomlinson, Walter Payton, and Jim Brown.<span style=\"mso-spacerun:yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>Sports require the history, and the classic stadiums only reinforce that history.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>But there needs to be a crucial distinction made: the past, the context, the records that we cherish are not inexorably tied to these old stadiums.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>Jackie Robinson\u2019s legacy didn\u2019t die when Ebbets got torn down, and first base is still 90 feet away at the new Yankee Stadium.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>And that\u2019s important, because we should be embracing the effort to modernize our sports, or at least our stadiums.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span><o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal\"><span style=\"font-size:10pt;font-family:\" times=\"\" new=\"\" roman\"\"=\"\">Like the crazies from Hoarders, there are people that value saving the past more than modernizing.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>They start groups like the \u201cSave Fenway\u201d Movement.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>These people would rather live in a museum than a stadium, they\u2019d rather see history than see a game.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>To put it another way, they\u2019d rather keep Fenway just the way it is so that people around the country can plan their road trip and see it once, instead of caring about the people that go there 81 times a year.<span style=\"mso-spacerun:yes\">\u00a0 <\/span><o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal\"><span style=\"font-size:10pt;font-family:\" times=\"\" new=\"\" roman\"\"=\"\">Don\u2019t mistake this for another lovefest over the new Cowboy Stadium.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>You saw it a few Sundays ago (<em>I once saw a TV thiiiisssss big!)<\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-size:10pt;font-family:\" times=\"\" new=\"\" roman\"\"=\"\">, you heard all the hype (<em>he went to the Roman Coliseum to get ideas!!<\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-size:10pt;font-family:\" times=\"\" new=\"\" roman\"\"=\"\">), and if you were one of the 100,000 people in attendance (<em>a new record!!!) <\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-size:10pt;font-family:\" times=\"\" new=\"\" roman\"\"=\"\">you know that it was a mad house more than a fun experience.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>My point is this: while Fenway needs to have a bulldozer taken to it, the last thing we need is the compensation exercise (<em>who needs extenze when you\u2019ve got $1.3 billion)<\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-size:10pt;font-family:\" times=\"\" new=\"\" roman\"\"=\"\"> that over-done stadiums have become.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>What we need is something in-between, something that has plenty of legroom, good sightlines, and if it\u2019s nice-to-look-at then all-the-better but we don\u2019t need billion dollar monstrosities any more than we need 100 year old monstrosities.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span><o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal\"><span style=\"font-size:10pt;font-family:\" times=\"\" new=\"\" roman\"\"=\"\">I have never been to Wrigley or Lambeau but I have been to Fenway.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>I was 16.<span style=\"mso-spacerun:yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>My knees and back still haven\u2019t recovered.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>You see, the thing they don\u2019t tell you when you set out to make your pilgrimage: those old stadiums suck.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>You know why everyone in the Wrigley outfield is so happy?<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>Because they\u2019re drunk.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>Know why they\u2019re drunk?<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>Because it\u2019s their only escape from being uncomfortable, from having no shade and from not having nearly enough room.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>Bill Simmons is quite possibly the only person in the media that is willing to point out that Fenway was built for people that were 5\u20194\u201d, getting a normal size person in there is impossible (note:<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>I said normal-size, not \u201cWisconsin-size\u201d, I don\u2019t care how big your seats are, they can never be big enough for Brewer fans.)<span style=\"mso-spacerun:yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>I\u2019m not na\u00efve, I understand that cramming people into the stadium is good for business, but modern stadiums find a way to do it with slightly more concern for comfort.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span><o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal\"><span style=\"font-size:10pt;font-family:\" times=\"\" new=\"\" roman\"\"=\"\">I\u2019m also not stupid and I understand the historical aspect of it.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>I was watching an Arsenal game in a soccer bar when someone mentioned that they had been to Highbury (a stadium built the year after Fenway, that thankfully was put out of its misery just a few years ago.)<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>None of us American Arsenal fans had even been to the new stadium but just this guy using the \u201cH\u201d word and we were ready to elect him our leader, we nearly sat on the floor cross-legged hoping he\u2019d tell us stories.<span style=\"mso-spacerun:yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>Of course while Highbury was too old, the new stadium was too bland- with no history, no identity, it took the team years before they realized they had to \u201cArsenalize\u201d it with murals and personal touches.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>Just like teams, stadiums need identities but they need to be authentic otherwise it just feels hollow.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>Remembering a stadium because of the size of its TV is like remembering a woman because of her breast implants.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span><o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal\"><span style=\"font-size:10pt;font-family:\" times=\"\" new=\"\" roman\"\"=\"\">Of course there is a magic about stadiums with history, Yogi Berra was right- there are ghosts in those old places.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>And the nostalgia only gets greater as the years go bye; when I meet someone that saw Ebbets Field I can\u2019t help but look at them like they have been to Atlantis.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>But ultimately that\u2019s all the magic is: nostalgia; like a first date that was terribly awkward, and not particularly enjoyable, that gets re-written when the relationship takes off.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span><o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal\"><span style=\"font-size:10pt;font-family:\" times=\"\" new=\"\" roman\"\"=\"\">I know what it\u2019s like to spend time at the same stadium each year (this is now my 6<sup>th<\/sup> year of being a Charger season ticket holder.)<span style=\"mso-spacerun:yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>And there\u2019s comfort in the familiarity.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>I have my seats, same ones every year, and there is a big appeal to that.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>There\u2019s certainly an appeal for the history- Dan Fouts played there, so did Junior Seau.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>Tony Gwynn made that stadium his own, and it has seen soccer games and concerts and Bowl games galore.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>And if they announce tomorrow that after this season, the entire thing\u2019s going to be torn down, I will mourn\u2026for about 3 seconds, and then I will be excited beyond belief.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>There\u2019s no guarantee that a new stadium will be better than the old one, but there is a guarantee that the longer a stadium stays, the worse it will get.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span><o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal\"><span style=\"font-size:10pt;font-family:\" times=\"\" new=\"\" roman\"\"=\"\">And that seems to be the only options that people consider: over-the-top or over-the-hill.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>Cowboys Stadium or Fenway.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>But, and this may surprise you, there are more than just those two options.<span style=\"mso-spacerun:yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>I realize the inherent uphill battle I\u2019m proposing, Los Angeles as a leading advocate of understated class?<span style=\"mso-spacerun:yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>However, just choosing the City of Industry was a step in the right direction- halfway between Downtown LA and Fontucky, just the location itself seems to be the first compromise.<span style=\"mso-spacerun:yes\">\u00a0 <\/span>Here\u2019s hoping they continue to choose that middle road between glamour and comfort.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/span><o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal\"><span style=\"font-size:10pt;font-family:\" times=\"\" new=\"\" roman\"\"=\"\">In fact, I can\u2019t help but wonder what the ESPN.com poll results would have been if a Happy Medium (Camden Yards, At&#038;t Park) was an option.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>  <!--EndFragment--><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>With the lawsuit against a new LA stadium resolved, Leaky Pipes has some advice for the inevitable construction: don&#8217;t go too big, or too 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