On Episode #31 of “Can You Hear Me, Long Beach?” Dr. Ebony Utley may know more about women and infidelity than anyone around. Her “He Cheated, She Cheated, We Cheated” is one of the most thoroughly researched books on the subject of women who are cheated on, women who cheat, women who become the “Other Woman” and women who do a combination of some or all.

But Utley, a Cal State Long Beach professor of communication studies, has her own very intimate and devastating experience with the subject as the first 10 seconds of our interview makes clear in just about the most jarring way possible.

Though Utley’s book makes her an expert on the subject of female infidelity, she says she’s surprised how reticent many people are to talk about a subject which, of course, has only been around since the dawn of humanity. Luckily for us, she’s more than happy to talk about it, we advise you to start this one from the very beginning.